Gay journo slams Scientologist actor

The Washington Blade has had a right go at John Travolta for his upcoming role in movie Hairspray.

The remake of the John Waters classic will see Mr Saturday Night Fever dress up in ladies' clothes as Mrs Edna Turnblad (yes, that's him in the fat suit. Well at least we think it's a fat suit).

Blade editor Kevin Naff is, like, SO not impressed:

"Travolta, a prominent Scientologist, has no business for reprising an iconic gay role.

"'It's well known that Scientology rejects gays and lesbians as members and even operates reparative therapy clinics to 'cure' homosexuality. Divine is spinning in his grave."

Take that Travolta!

Anyway, Divine looked better in our view:

Comments

[Terryeo]

Kevin Naff says, "'It's well known that Scientology rejects gays and lesbians as members". That is completely false, it is a made up unfairy tale. Naff goes on to proclaim, "and even operates reparative therapy clinics to 'cure' homosexuality". Another made up tale. Where do these obviously false dohdoh dreams come from ? They are completely made up.

[Greg]

I don't know what Kevin Naff has been smoking.

I've been a Scientologist for over 20 years. I have several gay Scientologist friends. In my 20+ years as a Scientologist I have NEVER heard or read anything about "reparative clinics" or "curing homosexuality."

What a bunch of made up balloney.

Sincerely,
Greg
Scientologist and proud of it
http://www.liveandgrow.org

[Mary McConnell]

As a former long time member I can tell you that Scientologists study the Hubbard's prejudiced views on every level and are expected to agree with them or face being ostracized within the group.

Greg from Liveandgrow is indoctrinated to believe that his church is not anti-homosexual, even though he cannot deny what is written in in Hubbard's books. This is why he should be ignored.

I have read all of the below books and can attest that Hubbard was very keen on his position about homosexuality. His own son, Quentin,apparently tormented by is father's dominance and abhorance of homosexuality, committed suicide as a young man yet that did not change Hubbard's views.

From:
Answers.com Religion and homosexuality
Homosexuality and Scientology

This article forms part of a series on Scientology

Scientology views of homosexuality are based on the writings of L. Ron Hubbard, the founder of the Church of Scientology. His statements about homosexuality have given rise to assertions from critics that Scientology promotes homophobia. These allegations are disputed by some gay Scientologists.
[..]
Hubbard further defined perversion in his 1951 book Science of Survival: Prediction of Human Behavior. Here he introduced the concept of the "tone scale", a means of classifying individuals and human behaviour on a chart running from +40 (the most beneficial) to -40 (the least beneficial). Sexual perversion, a category in which he included homosexuality, was termed "covert hostility" and given a score of 1.1, "the level of the pervert, the hypocrite, the turncoat, ... the subversive." Such people were "skulking coward[s] who yet contains enough perfidious energy to strike back, but not enough courage ever to give warning."[7]

He characterized "promiscuity, perversion, sadism, and irregular practices" as well as "Free Love, easy marriage and quick divorce" as being undesirable activities, "since it is non-survival not to have a well ordered system for the creation and upbringing of children, by families." (It may be noted that very similar arguments have been made by modern opponents of same-sex marriage in the United States.) Sexual perverts engaged in "irregular practices which do anything but tend toward the creation of children" and "efforts [which] tend not towards enjoyment but toward the pollution and derangement of sex itself so as to make it as repulsive as possible to others and so to inhibit procreation."[8]

Hubbard's 1951 book Handbook for Preclears likewise classified homosexuality as "about 1.1 on the tone scale", along with "general promiscuity". He set out what he saw as the cause of homosexuality: a mental "aberration", with the result that "an individual aberrated enough about sex will do strange things to be a cause or an effect. He will substitute punishment for sex. He will pervert others. Homosexuality comes from this manifestation and from the manifestation of life continuation for others." The "aberration" was caused by a child trying to "continue the life" of a dominant parent of the opposite sex.[9]

Hubbard's views on homosexuality were given a fuller explanation in a 1972 book by Scientologist Ruth Minshull, How To Choose Your People, which was published through the Church of Scientology, copyrighted to Hubbard and given "issue authority" by the Scientology hierarchy. Scientology churches sold the book alongside the works of Hubbard until 1983.[10] Minshull described the "the gentle-mannered homosexual" as a classic example of the "subversive" 1.1 personality, commenting that they "may be fearful, sympathetic, propitiative, griefy or apathetic. Occasionally they manage an ineffectual tantrum." They were claimed to be social misfits:

"Homosexuals don't practice love; 1.1s can't. Their relationships consist of: 1) brief, sordid and impersonal meetings or 2) longer arrangements punctuated by dramatic tirades, discords, jealousies and frequent infidelity. It could hardly be otherwise since the tone is made up of suspicion and hate, producing a darling sweetness interspersed with petty peevishness. Their "love" turns to deep contempt eventually."[11]

Homosexuals had no redeeming "social value," in Minshull's view. She cautioned that "homosexuals should not be abused or ridiculed. But a society bent on survival must recognize any aberration as such and seek to raise people out of the low emotion that produces it."
http://www.answers.com/topic/homosexuality-and-scientology
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You can also read about this further on the net here and elsewhere:
http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_scie.htm

You can read all about Michael Pattinson, the former scientologist who spent $500,000 to try and be 'cured' of his homosexuality.
http://www.xenu-directory.net/critics/pattinsonm1.html

Michael is not only a terrific artist but a wonderful human being who can be trusted. Because he wanted to renmain in scientology and because he believed he could be 'cured'by scientology, he earned the right as one of the most trusted of scientologists to be able to go on to the highest level in scientology counselling, OT VIII -- That is a level much higher than what Greg Churilov from liveandgrow and Keith Relkin combined have been privy to.

I suggest readers arm themselves with the facts by reading the information and being on alert for someone offering you spiritual freedom through Scientology. Your wallet, your mind and your integrity are at risk.

[JP, Dublin]

Wow. Reading these comments just goes to prove what a pack of pathetic freaks these Scientologist are!

"Michael is not only a terrific artist but a wonderful human being who can be trusted." Yeah right. He's a closet queen. We know it. You know it. Sure, even he knows it.

OT VIII? Yeah, isn't that when the dead aliens (which came to earth on little ships that look like DC-10 planes)attach to you and make you sad? So you pay a load of cash to these con-artists to be brainwashed and "cured" by removing the little dead aliens? How scientific this all sounds. Yes, I would be a fool to think this is anything but utter bollox. Silly me.

Sad thing is good old Ron L Hubbard himself was a big drug abusing homosexual... spent his latter years on a boat full of young boys high as a kite on illegal substances. He's one to preach, eh? He mush have enjoyed when the dead little aliens tried to anal-probe him...

The comments I read here do nothing but confirm that these people are a load of sad dangerous nuts who need some serious eduction. Get a life boys! Sounds like you need one....

[Jann, Germany]

I'm with JP on this one. Scientology is for those suffering from diminished responsibility.

They're just Nazi's in a corporate/religion shell.

[Paul]

Just look at Tom Cruise:- a fine example of how unstable scientology "helps" you to become. Queue: jumping
on sofa and ranting like a demented 4 year old.

[Greg]

Opinions and mudslinging aside, the fact remains that we operate no "reparative clinics" or any kind, and we do not seek to "cure homosexuality".

The pattern of these attacks on Scientology is pretty consistent.

1) A reporter writes a lie,

2) Anti-Scientologists post a bunch of slams and links to anti sites, NONE of which has to do with the article itself, with the issue at hand of addresses in any way the fact that the reporter was plain lying.

Sincerely,
Greg
Scientologist and proud of it
http://www.liveandgrow.org

PS: Oh, and I'm not "indoctrinated to believe" any goddam thing. What I wrote is based on personal firsthand experience over more than two decades.

[Peter, Glasgow]

Oh, boo fucking hoo. Someone thinks scientology is nonsense. Wake up and smell the coffee, this so called "religion" is founded by a drug abusing sci-fi hack and who could barely string a sentence together at the best of times.

Well, Greg, sounds like you need to shake off some off those "little dead alien thetans" before they climb up your butt and make you an anally retentive religious nut.

[See this Greg?]

http://www.xenu.net/archive/scientology_illustrated/intro14.htm

[Mary McConnell]

Baloney again, Greg.

Reparative therapy means scientology's auditing (counseling), Security Checking (tm) ( cult professional confessional-type questions on acts of omissions and commissions which Scientology deems unethical or immoral that can then be used against oneself ) and personal writeups forced upon the homosexual of all his acts in detail, which can be also used against the homosexual.

Scientologists that are homosexual are considered not trustworthy ( 1.1 on that Hubbardian tone scale, remember); The church will gladly that money from a duck so a homosexual's finances are a scientology registrar's dream come true but it is an ethical offense in scientology to receive general auditing services if one is committing what Hubbard deemed as immoral acts of a sexual nature. Promiscuous behavior by either sex is shunned in scientology (unless you are Juliette Lewis)so don't tell us you never read that info because you'd be lying otherewise.

Stop defending Scientology and go ask Keith Relkin how far he's gotten in his scientology services since he announced he was "queen" and a "scientologist". I remember the days when he would confess by day and walk round at nite seeing what the church was trying to 'cure' him of. Ask him about the torment he went through trying to be a scientologist and be who he felt he was.

You can bet Relkin will not get up the levels unless he tries to give up his sexual inclination. The cult just pays him lip service to shut him up in the meantime.

Just like you are doing here with the readers.

[Keith, Belfast]

Well said Mary.

Greg, you have no business in a gay site ranting (and yes, your comments are nothing short of blindly defensive ranting) about the merits of a homophobic cult which does nothing useful except lighten your wallet and diminish your dignity.

And as for the comment about "anti-scientologists post a bunch of slams and links to anti sites", well I'm sorry, but thankfully we live in a society that allows free-speech. Obviously after your 20 years of indoctrinated dogma you would prefer that free speech didn't get in the way of this horrendous organisation.

Don't make the assumption that all the readers here are as blind and... how can I put this... quite frankly, as stupid, as you are.

[mark]

Scientology is not anti gay, scientology is a technology to identify and expose psychos, that is why so many people attack scientology, becuase they have things to hide, every gay man should be a scientologist, the alien crap is put out by the press to keep people from reaching for scientology

[Keith, Belfast]

Oh, really Mark? You're a fucking idiot if you expect us to believe that. I am an qualified electronics engineer. There is NOTHING scientific about those "e-meters". Scientology is NOT a technology. The "alien crap" is true, and you know it... its from documents released at various scientology court cases. Spare me your bullshit, we're not all mindless idiots.

You and the other Scientology freaks here are living proof that your whole money grabbing organisation/scam should be wiped from the face of the earth.

[Ian, Wexford]

What is it with these scientologists in that they expect everyone else to swallow their bullshit as easily as they do? They all look at you like bunnies in headlamps when you have the audacity to question the stupidity of their so called religion.

And Mark, you want us to believe the "evil media" put out the Xenu alien crap??? Your "founder" was a failed sci-fi hack, for fuck sake! It makes perfect sense that he's come up with a lame-arsed story like this as the core of your so-called beliefs! Get real.

Not everyone is as weak of mind as the people who need scientology... some of us can see it for what it is: a scam.

[don]

jeez.....what a bunch of rants...i've been a gay scientologist for years....and while i have been discriminated against by some individuals within the church, I have never been discriminated against by the church or its policies ever.
And Ian....look up hubbard in the guiness book of records....hardly a failure.
It seems there are quite a few false beliefs out there regarding all the good things scientology goes...from the success of its drug programs, its criminon program...its missions etc.
stop reading readers digest people and get some real info.

[don]

jeez.....what a bunch of rants...i've been a gay scientologist for years....and while i have been discriminated against by some individuals within the church, I have never been discriminated against by the church or its policies ever.
And Ian....look up hubbard in the guiness book of records....hardly a failure.
It seems there are quite a few false beliefs out there regarding all the good things scientology goes...from the success of its drug programs, its criminon program...its missions etc.
stop reading readers digest people and get some real info.